Let’s Run That Again

None of us run ultras because we want the “easy button,” but at the same time we sometimes face them with unrealistic expectations. Heidi Baker and Michelle Goldberg are both experienced ultrarunners and UESCA Certified ultrarunning coaches who want to help you unpack and understand the race that didn’t go quite as planned, and show you how they are opportunities for growth, learning and resilience building. Bringing in guests of all running and experience levels, we want to encourage you to embrace the challenges, welcome the mistakes, and thrive in the struggles.

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Episodes

Friday Apr 04, 2025

In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle chat with Josh Rosenthal of Borderlands and delve into the world of ultra running, focusing on the topic of Did Not Finish (DNF) experiences. Josh shares his personal journey with DNFs, emphasizing the importance of mindset, community support, and the lessons learned from each attempt. They discuss the significance of language in shaping one's approach to races and the emotional and mental challenges faced by ultra runners.
 
Josh has his own podcast, and Borderlands is a huge and wonderful resource for anyone looking to learn more about ultrarunning and get involved.
Find him on Instagram, and the Borderlands podcast:
@runborderlands
 
Join me at the Devil's Gulch 100 mile race in Wenatchee, WA in July! For more information:
⁠https://www.evergreentrailruns.com/heidi/⁠
 
We are so incredibly grateful for your support, and listening and sharing is the BEST way to help us grow and share more stories! If you want to support financially, any small amount helps us keep this podcast going. We appreciate YOU!
⁠https://buymeacoffee.com/letsrunthag⁠

Thursday Mar 27, 2025

In this conversation, Maude Gorman shares her transformative journey through athletics, overcoming personal struggles with eating disorders, and the impact of relationships on her athletic pursuits. She discusses her recovery, the challenges she faced, and how she rebuilt her life and found purpose in running. Maude emphasizes the importance of community support, perspective in endurance sports, and the milestones she achieved, culminating in her first 100-mile race. Her story is one of resilience, growth, and the power of second chances. Maude shares her journey through the world of ultra running, discussing the validation she sought through racing and the loneliness she felt. The discussion highlights the power of vulnerability, the joy of rediscovering one's passion, and the supportive nature of the ultra running community.
 
Find Maude on Instagram:
@maudernliving

Friday Mar 21, 2025

In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle interview Steph Cloutier, an ultra runner who shares her journey from casual running to participating in ultra marathons. Steph discusses her first experiences with ultra running, the challenges she faced during her first 100-mile race, and the mental strength required to overcome obstacles. She reflects on her return to the Javelina race, emphasizing the importance of preparation and support from the running community. The discussion also touches on the concept of redemption in racing and personal growth through experiences of DNF (Did Not Finish). In this conversation, the speakers discuss their experiences with running, particularly focusing on the challenges of DNF (Did Not Finish) races, the joy of running for its own sake, and the importance of having multiple motivations or 'whys' for participating in endurance sports. They also explore the balance between family life and personal running goals, addressing the common feelings of mom guilt that arise when pursuing athletic endeavors. The conversation emphasizes the significance of understanding one's support system and the expectations set for future generations in the context of running and endurance sports.

Thursday Mar 13, 2025

This is a special podcast crossover episode! Also airing on the podcast That's Runnable with Tommy Lewis, we dive in and chat with Tommy about all things running! We share our personal experiences with training, the challenges of specific races like Cocodona 250 and Devil's Gulch, and the philosophy of maintaining fitness for adventure beyond just running. We also delve into the nuances of ultra running, comparing local races to major events, and discussing the differences between European and American ultra races. The discussion culminates in preparations for the Devil's Gulch race, emphasizing the importance of mindset and gratitude in the face of challenges.
 
Please check out Tommy's podcast, That's Runnable:
⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/4Lr743lZe67cqlHSqHgcRC⁠
 
and check out Tommy on Instagram:
@tommyrunpt
@thatsrunnable

Thursday Mar 06, 2025

n this episode, Heidi and Michelle welcome Katie Warren, an avalanche forecaster and race director for Evergreen Trails. They discuss Katie's unique career path, her passion for running, and the challenges of balancing her job with training for ultra marathons. Katie shares insights into her experiences as a race director, the importance of community in racing, and her upcoming participation in the Hood Hundred. She emphasizes the significance of connection—both with oneself and the community—through running, and reflects on the challenges faced by runners during races, particularly regarding DNF decisions.
 
Find Katie on Instagram:
@just_a_girl_and_a_husky
 
Also check out Evergreen Trails, especially Devil's Gulch which you can register for with discount code HEIDIB
https://www.evergreentrailruns.com/

Sunday Mar 02, 2025

Due to some technical issues we had to work through, there may be a few spots of pausing or overlapping voices in this episode, and for that we apologize!
In this episode we welcome guest Jason Bahamundi of RunTriBike and we explore the world of endurance sports, emphasizing the importance of community, vulnerability, and humor. We discuss how everyday athletes can find their place in the sport, the significance of having a strong 'why' to motivate training, and the life lessons that can be drawn from endurance challenges. While we laugh and joke a lot, Jason also helps us touch on some important pieces, like safety in running. You'll laugh a lot in this one- we are so thankful for our friends like Jason at RunTriBike!
 
Check out Jason on Instagram:
@cooktraineatrace
@runtrimag
@everyday_athlete_podcast_ntwrk
 
https://runtrimag.com/

Monday Feb 24, 2025

*Due to some technical issues, there may be some minor sound overlap during the episode
In this conversation, ultra runner Manika Gamble shares her incredible journey through unique and challenging races around the world, including her experiences in the Namibia Desert and the Arrowhead 135. The discussion delves into the mental and physical challenges of ultra running, the allure of extreme conditions, and the personal growth that comes from pushing one's limits. Manika reflects on her motivations, the preparation for these races, and the emotional impact of her first DNF at Arrowhead 135, emphasizing the importance of resilience and self-acceptance in the face of adversity. In this engaging conversation, the speakers explore the emotional and physical challenges of ultra running, particularly focusing on the Arrowhead 135 race. They discuss the importance of celebrating efforts beyond just finishing, the lessons learned from experiences of not finishing, and the significance of cultural immersion in races.
Follow Manika on Instagram @manikaruns

 
Manika's GoFundMe

Saturday Feb 15, 2025

In this conversation, Avery Matthews shares her inspiring journey into ultra running, discussing her training strategies, experiences with significant races like the Grindstone 100, and the challenges she faced, including a DNF and gallbladder surgery. She emphasizes the importance of mindset, nutrition, and the journey of ultra running, culminating in her participation in the Grand Slam of Ultra Running. In this conversation, Avery discusses the mental and physical challenges she faced during races, the importance of mindset, and how she balances her passion for running with family life. She emphasizes the power of acceptance and perspective on suffering, which has culminated through her entire life with her life experiences.
 
Check her out on Instagram:
@thelowcountryrunner
 
 
If you want to join Heidi or learn more about The Devil's Gulch by Evergreen Trails, check out the link below!
⁠https://www.evergreentrailruns.com/heidi/

Episode 28: Dark Anchor Recap

Thursday Feb 06, 2025

Thursday Feb 06, 2025

In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle reflect on their experiences at the Dark Anchor ultra race (where Heidi hit her first 100 miler and Michelle accomplished 119 miles!), discussing their personal achievements, recovery processes, unexpected challenges faced during the race, and the emotional roller coaster that comes with ultra running. They share insights on the physical and mental aspects of recovery, the importance of support from friends, and the lessons learned from their experiences. They share personal anecdotes about overcoming difficulties during the race and emphasize the significance of community support and personal growth in the running journey.

Friday Jan 31, 2025

In this conversation, Craig Lewis shares his journey as an everyday athlete and podcaster, emphasizing the importance of storytelling in the running community. He discusses the transition from casual running to ultra running, the challenges faced due to health issues, and the invaluable lessons learned from various races. The conversation highlights the power of community, collaboration, and the significance of nutrition in endurance sports. They discuss the profound impact of running on mental health, the sense of community within the running world, and the excitement of future running adventures.
Follow Craig on Instagram:
@running_tales_
@craig_on_the_run
 
And follow his Substack:
https://substack.com/@runningtales
 
Also be sure to check out his podcast: Running Tales with Craig Lewis on The Everyday Athlete Podcast Network

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