Let’s Run That Again
None of us run ultras because we want the “easy button,” but at the same time we sometimes face them with unrealistic expectations. Heidi Baker and Michelle Goldberg are both experienced ultrarunners and UESCA Certified ultrarunning coaches who want to help you unpack and understand the race that didn’t go quite as planned, and show you how they are opportunities for growth, learning and resilience building. Bringing in guests of all running and experience levels, we want to encourage you to embrace the challenges, welcome the mistakes, and thrive in the struggles.
Episodes

Sunday Mar 02, 2025
Sunday Mar 02, 2025
Due to some technical issues we had to work through, there may be a few spots of pausing or overlapping voices in this episode, and for that we apologize!
In this episode we welcome guest Jason Bahamundi of RunTriBike and we explore the world of endurance sports, emphasizing the importance of community, vulnerability, and humor. We discuss how everyday athletes can find their place in the sport, the significance of having a strong 'why' to motivate training, and the life lessons that can be drawn from endurance challenges. While we laugh and joke a lot, Jason also helps us touch on some important pieces, like safety in running. You'll laugh a lot in this one- we are so thankful for our friends like Jason at RunTriBike!
Check out Jason on Instagram:
@cooktraineatrace
@runtrimag
@everyday_athlete_podcast_ntwrk
https://runtrimag.com/

Monday Feb 24, 2025
Monday Feb 24, 2025
*Due to some technical issues, there may be some minor sound overlap during the episode
In this conversation, ultra runner Manika Gamble shares her incredible journey through unique and challenging races around the world, including her experiences in the Namibia Desert and the Arrowhead 135. The discussion delves into the mental and physical challenges of ultra running, the allure of extreme conditions, and the personal growth that comes from pushing one's limits. Manika reflects on her motivations, the preparation for these races, and the emotional impact of her first DNF at Arrowhead 135, emphasizing the importance of resilience and self-acceptance in the face of adversity. In this engaging conversation, the speakers explore the emotional and physical challenges of ultra running, particularly focusing on the Arrowhead 135 race. They discuss the importance of celebrating efforts beyond just finishing, the lessons learned from experiences of not finishing, and the significance of cultural immersion in races.
Follow Manika on Instagram @manikaruns
Manika's GoFundMe

Saturday Feb 15, 2025
Saturday Feb 15, 2025
In this conversation, Avery Matthews shares her inspiring journey into ultra running, discussing her training strategies, experiences with significant races like the Grindstone 100, and the challenges she faced, including a DNF and gallbladder surgery. She emphasizes the importance of mindset, nutrition, and the journey of ultra running, culminating in her participation in the Grand Slam of Ultra Running. In this conversation, Avery discusses the mental and physical challenges she faced during races, the importance of mindset, and how she balances her passion for running with family life. She emphasizes the power of acceptance and perspective on suffering, which has culminated through her entire life with her life experiences.
Check her out on Instagram:
@thelowcountryrunner
If you want to join Heidi or learn more about The Devil's Gulch by Evergreen Trails, check out the link below!
https://www.evergreentrailruns.com/heidi/

Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle reflect on their experiences at the Dark Anchor ultra race (where Heidi hit her first 100 miler and Michelle accomplished 119 miles!), discussing their personal achievements, recovery processes, unexpected challenges faced during the race, and the emotional roller coaster that comes with ultra running. They share insights on the physical and mental aspects of recovery, the importance of support from friends, and the lessons learned from their experiences. They share personal anecdotes about overcoming difficulties during the race and emphasize the significance of community support and personal growth in the running journey.

Friday Jan 31, 2025
Friday Jan 31, 2025
In this conversation, Craig Lewis shares his journey as an everyday athlete and podcaster, emphasizing the importance of storytelling in the running community. He discusses the transition from casual running to ultra running, the challenges faced due to health issues, and the invaluable lessons learned from various races. The conversation highlights the power of community, collaboration, and the significance of nutrition in endurance sports. They discuss the profound impact of running on mental health, the sense of community within the running world, and the excitement of future running adventures.
Follow Craig on Instagram:
@running_tales_
@craig_on_the_run
And follow his Substack:
https://substack.com/@runningtales
Also be sure to check out his podcast: Running Tales with Craig Lewis on The Everyday Athlete Podcast Network

Thursday Jan 23, 2025
Thursday Jan 23, 2025
In this episode, ultra runner and coach Ryan Head shares his journey into the world of ultra running, discussing his recent accomplishments, the beauty of Utah, and the importance of community in the running world. He reflects on the challenges faced during his first 100-mile race and the lessons learned along the way, emphasizing the mental aspects of ultra running and the supportive nature of the ultra running community. They discuss the challenges faced during races, including weather conditions and personal struggles, and the significance of taking ownership of one's decisions, especially in the context of a DNF (Did Not Finish). The dialogue highlights the journey of rebuilding confidence through training and the realization that the process of preparation is what truly transforms an individual, rather than the finish line itself. In this conversation, Ryan shares his experiences and insights from ultra running, emphasizing the importance of training, self-belief, and learning from failures. He discusses how moments of joy and realization during races can transform one's mindset and approach to challenges. The discussion also touches on the parallels between ultra running and life, highlighting how failures can serve as valuable learning experiences. Ryan expresses his goals for the future and his desire to foster a supportive running community.
Find Ryan on Instagram:
@ry_head

Thursday Jan 16, 2025
Thursday Jan 16, 2025
In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle engage with Sarah Strong, a licensed clinical social worker and ultra runner, to explore the mental and emotional challenges faced by ultra runners, particularly in the context of DNFs. They discuss the emotional landscape of racing, and the importance of self-compassion and values in running. Sarah shares insights on how to navigate the grief and disappointment that can accompany a DNF, as well as practical strategies for managing race anxiety and fostering mental resilience. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of physical and mental health in the ultra running community.
Find Sarah on Instagram: @the_trail_therapist
and at her website:
In this conversation, Heidi and Michelle engage with Sarah Strong, a licensed clinical social worker and ultra runner, to explore the mental and emotional challenges faced by ultra runners, particularly in the context of DNFs. They discuss the emotional landscape of racing, and the importance of self-compassion and values in running. Sarah shares insights on how to navigate the grief and disappointment that can accompany a DNF, as well as practical strategies for managing race anxiety and fostering mental resilience. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of physical and mental health in the ultra running community.
Find Sarah on Instagram: @the_trail_therapist
and at her website: https://www.fireweedcounselingllc.com/

Thursday Jan 09, 2025
Thursday Jan 09, 2025
In this episode, Heidi and Michelle sit down with Amanda Rasmussen, an ultra runner and mother, to discuss her journey in the world of ultra running. Amanda shares her experiences, including her weight loss journey, the challenges she faced during races, and the emotional aspects of running. The conversation delves into the differences between 100-mile and 200-mile races, the importance of running with a partner, and the life lessons learned through ultra running. Amanda emphasizes the significance of community, acceptance, and personal growth in her running journey. In this conversation, Amanda Rasmussen, Michelle Goldberg, and Heidi discuss the profound experiences and lessons learned from ultra running, particularly focusing on Amanda's recent 200-mile race at Tahoe. The discussion also touches on overcoming fears, the significance of recovery practices, and the challenges of maintaining a healthy lifestyle amidst busy schedules.
Amanda is also running the Devil's Gulch 100 Mile ultra with Heidi- which you can register for with her discount code AMANDA25 for any of the distances!
Find Amanda on Instagram:
@runnermomamanda

Thursday Jan 02, 2025
Thursday Jan 02, 2025
In this episode, Michelle and Heidi reflect on the year 2024, what we've learned and taken away from what we are doing here in this podcast space, and our hopes for 2025. We also take a few questions from our followers, and look forward into the new year with some new intentions.

Friday Dec 27, 2024
Friday Dec 27, 2024
Andy Glaze is well known in the ultrarunnning world, especially on social media. Andy talks with us about mindset- and how his has evolved over the years of being in the sport, and how he mentally handles tough decisions and DNFs. Andy also talks with us about his work/life balance, and his own personal struggles with mental health and why he speaks up about it so often.
As we say in the episode, here are some mental health free resources:
National Suicide Prevention Lifeline:
Dial: 988
Website: 988lifeline.org
Crisis Text Line:
Text: HOME to 741741 (U.S. and Canada)
Website: crisistextline.org
NAMI Helpline (National Alliance on Mental Illness)
Dial: 1-800-950-NAMI
Website: nami.org
Check out Andy on Instagram and TikTok
@amglaze
@glazeruns